Teams and the two party system

[Myckaal]

The suggestion has been made and toyed with about restructuring the teams. Here's the idea, mostly, that was being thrown about in chat:

Currently there are two teams .... you know what? **** that.
Here ... read it your self (Start at the bottom):

Myckaal - 10:12:14
The actual point is that the hackers almost lost the week just because a few of us decided to take a different approach to the tradition
Myckaal - 10:12:48
"The hackers always win because the netguards don't try"
Myckaal - 10:13:16
Perhaps the teams should be eliminated .... or restructured
Skip- 10:13:45
"Skip- 15:05:48 what something like black/white hat enforcer/exploiter?"
Myckaal - 10:14:03
Yeah .....
Myckaal - 10:14:35
Still not a player choice, exactly ... but something more than just two teams.
Myckaal - 10:15:14
Maybe have an option to change the team you're on by paying an exhorbitant amount of something like ECs or a few million webs ....
Junny- 10:15:40
**** that.
Junny- 10:15:48
How about no teams, until you join a gang
Myckaal - 10:15:49
Because I'm getting sick and tired of being even in the same room as some of these netties ...
Junny- 10:15:59
Gangs have sides.
Junny- 10:16:15
so... no kills off of inactives.
Myckaal - 10:16:18
Exactly.
Junny- 10:16:32
Gang owner gets to pick side...
Junny- 10:16:50
but, only half gangs can be NG or Hacker
Skip- 10:16:51
that is a player choice
Myckaal - 10:16:53
There still needs to be more than just two.
K 88- 10:16:54
nahhh. player classes would be better
Skip- 10:17:00
chooseside.php
Myckaal - 10:17:05
two only allows for polarity
Junny- 10:17:13
"Sorry, Net Guards are not expanding their forces."
Skip- 10:17:34
hackers get black hat or white hat, netguards get exploiter enforcer choices
Myckaal - 10:17:37
Well ... polarity or unity
Myckaal - 10:17:56
That would be four teams there, Skips
Myckaal - 10:18:21
Hey ... why are we outside talking about good ideas with the heathens?
Skip- 10:18:31
"Myckaal - 15:14:35 Still not a player choice, exactly"
Myckaal - 10:18:51
As it is, there isn't much choice.
Myckaal - 10:19:08
If you have an odd ID number, you are a hacker. Period
Skip- 10:19:48
that would be the flaw in the system...
Myckaal - 10:20:04
Rearrange the teams.
Myckaal - 10:21:44
All the netties that took 'black hat' as a choice, you just slice off and call "Netpenetrators" or something
Skip- 10:22:01
they could be the exploiters
Myckaal - 10:22:03
And the ones that picked 'white hat' you let stay netguards.
Myckaal - 10:22:16
Do the same thing with the hacker's side
Skip- 10:22:21
just trying to stick with what we have
Myckaal - 10:22:29
It works ...
K 88- 10:22:44
booster. in the end its the same thing
Myckaal - 10:22:55
Not really.
K 88- 10:22:57
just split half and half
Skip- 10:22:59
although I wish I was a hacker so this "You have hacked I Am K88!." would count
Myckaal - 10:23:10
There would be a small choice, then at least
K 88- 10:23:13
half hackers good. half of em bad. same with netties
K 88- 10:23:48
so in the end really it would still be good vs evil
Myckaal - 10:24:03
Not really ...
Myckaal - 10:24:24
With more than 2 teams, there would be more strategy.
K 88- 10:25:01
how? good hackers hacking bad neties?
Skip- 10:25:01
yeah and more gangs that are team exclusive
Myckaal - 10:25:17
In all systems, two parties only lead to polarity or unity
Skip- 10:25:27
would bring some district stratigies
Myckaal - 10:25:34
Neither one is gonna advance this game
K 88- 10:25:45
same system just broken up into parts that ultimatly mean same thing. hackers still hack netties
Myckaal - 10:26:05
The team kills would change, as well
K 88- 10:26:14
true
Myckaal - 10:26:27
If you're a black hat netguard, kills on anyone not on your team would count
K 88- 10:26:39
lol wat? good netties vs bad hackers. bad netties vs good hackers?
Myckaal - 10:26:50
Same for white hat netties, and black and white hat hackers.
K 88- 10:27:22
huh we come back to same point.
K 88- 10:27:40
if any kill not on your teamcounts than same system broken up into diff parts
Myckaal - 10:27:42
That there needs to be more than a two party system here?
Skip- 10:27:45
no it would be all four competing
Myckaal - 10:27:54
AND .....
|OSX| Jokulhaups - 10:28:07
they're called gangs lol
Myckaal - 10:28:08
New players would get more of a choice in their gameplay
K 88- 10:28:27
|OSX| Jokulhaups - 15:28:07 they're called gangs lol
K 88- 10:28:29
hes right
Myckaal - 10:28:37
He is.
K 88- 10:28:50
the gangs are the 3rd and 4th "parties"
Myckaal - 10:29:02
Which is why I started with eliminating teams entirely
K 88- 10:29:06
they are same thing as white hat black hat
Myckaal - 10:29:22
But no, Katie ... they're not the answer
K 88- 10:29:42
if you eliminated the teams and replaced your new system what would be the point?
K 88- 10:29:51
same thing except with no gangs?
K 88- 10:30:10
that would mean less support for newbies that need help.
Myckaal - 10:30:15
No ... leave the gangs.
Myckaal - 10:30:22
They work for the most part
Myckaal - 10:30:43
But the team war has been needing something for a while.
K 88- 10:31:03
yes it has i agree but 4 teams is not the answer
Myckaal - 10:31:37
In all the time since the world's collapse (game story speaking) no other groups have arisen? No gangs have stepped out of the "one or the other" mentality?
K 88- 10:32:07
yes it would make for a good plot twist
Myckaal - 10:32:27
Which is something this game needs desperately
K 88- 10:32:31
how about instead of splitting the existing teams that we create 2 new ones?
Myckaal - 10:32:42
That was kinda the idea
K 88- 10:32:47
not black hat netties and white hat netties
K 88- 10:33:03
none of that shit.
Myckaal - 10:33:04
If we just used one already partially in place, it would be easier, I guess
Myckaal - 10:33:19
But ...
K 88- 10:33:31
no we need 2 more "sides" that have their own bonuses
K 88- 10:33:46
like more firewall per level.
K 88- 10:33:59
bigger energy capacity
K 88- 10:34:10
stuff like that for the new sides
Myckaal - 10:34:14
Which is why I suggested splitting it along the team lines that are already there.
Myckaal - 10:34:42
There's already a pretty well defined set of groups there ...
Myckaal - 10:34:49
4 of them ...
K 88- 10:35:15
yes partialy
Myckaal - 10:35:18
I can guarantee there are more of one than any of the other three, but that would shift
Myckaal - 10:35:39
First thing would be to add that extra bonus.
Myckaal - 10:35:48
Aside from the IQ or hacking skill.
K 88- 10:36:02
yes
Myckaal - 10:36:12
White hat Hackers would be, esentially, the actual 'good guys'
Myckaal - 10:36:27
Give them a bonus that reflects that
K 88- 10:36:28
ok
The Devil Wears Snags - 10:36:32
I wanna be a neut!
K 88- 10:36:42
like more firewall
Myckaal - 10:37:02
A bonus to Firewall or even a battle stat bonus when attacking their opposing class.
The Devil Wears Snags - 10:37:07
Or par fof the confederation of "now why can't we all just get along?"
Skip- 10:37:09
you can be a chav or a neut
The Devil Wears Snags - 10:37:15
part of*
K 88- 10:37:32
true
K 88- 10:38:03
actually no. good hackers would have extra hacking bonus
Myckaal - 10:38:08
Why can't we what??
K 88- 10:38:12
good netteis would have firewall bonus
Myckaal - 10:38:13
Because we're HUMANS.
Myckaal - 10:38:29
Nowhere in history do they get along without eating lead chips
Myckaal - 10:38:39
>_>
K 88- 10:38:51
bad hackers would have more energy
Myckaal - 10:38:55
*goes back to the idea*
K 88- 10:38:59
bad netties would have more iq
Myckaal - 10:39:07
Yeah ...
Myckaal - 10:39:18
There's the idea growing ...
Myckaal - 10:39:30
You can see how this would benefit, right?
K 88- 10:39:45
hehe we are doing better than all the admins at creating the fing game
K 88- 10:39:56
yes i can
Myckaal - 10:40:21
Leave the 25 day period intact and add to it a timer.
K 88- 10:40:29
it would expenentually help the game
K 88- 10:40:46
ya
Myckaal - 10:41:00
You have that long to decide which team you're on. Allow a player to change only in those first 25 days, with a penalty, and then after that, it's locked.
K 88- 10:41:13
ya
K 88- 10:41:34
hell we could even add this to game without full restart if they did it right
Myckaal - 10:41:43
**** ...
K 88- 10:41:52
what?
Myckaal - 10:41:56
I don't want to copy all this shit into the forums ...
Myckaal - 10:42:04
Let alone write it all over again ...
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End of convo ......



Now ... comments?

[I Am K88]

I support you fully on this. and it can be done without full reset if they just create a backup of everyones account and all the gangs. then they could seperate then add what we are suggesting to the game code. then load all of the backup profiles into the newly restructured game code. then let us choose what side we want and playing can go back to reg as normal =-)
First post =-)

[Ozy {DD}]

Sorry got bored reading all this Whining about netties being LOSERS ... It's a game get over it, YOU LOST IT !

zy

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Some players are just more active in the killing field, and that makes the difference. 6/10 top killers are hackers ...

Since now both sides top 5 get 70 ECS, why all this whining for ?? all you stand to lose is 10 ECS per week => 100 kills that you guys don't do ..

And I'm not the only one:

Toast - 17:45:53
We fucking get it, k88. You and Myck are whining about how net guards always lose, so you're proposing you open up a new team or two or more to balance it all out.

[I Am K88]

Ok ozy for one we arent whining or complaining that we lost this last week. we are actually proposing a change in the weekly battles. making more "groups" to battle for the weekly win. each also has its own better "perk" like more firewall and extended energy.

[Ozy {DD}]

Toast - 17:20:55 I see it as a complete waste of time. Resources are better spent elsewhere.

+1

[Toast]

New idea, hate me for it. Ditch the Hackers v. Netguards thing and come up with something more proactive.

Proactive in a sense that would bring back gang loyalty and challenge. Challenge in a sense that the only way one would earn points is:
-The player is active (has been on in the past 60 days) OR
-Is part of a gang that has at least one player that has been active in the past 60 days AND
-The war MUST be for more than 750 kills (if wars are set in increments now).

Awards pyramid: 3 ECs, given by the CW system itself (same as the 10 ECs to the top killer at the end of the week), to the number 1 killer. 2 ECs to second, 1 EC to third.

[theoneandonlyCire]

Having a choice would definitely create an eventual imbalance between the teams and that would ruin the wars and make them slaughters. That's a fact. The biggest 'choice' I think, that would be as close as I, personally, would let it get near this idea is:
Have there be four teams: good hackers, bad hackers, good net guards, bad net guards
Your ID chooses if you're a hacker or net guard.
You choose if you're good or bad (change the current 'chooseside.php' to a 'choose your specialty' page; studybug or fanatic or whatevers)
At this point there are three choices of how the system could work
1) Hackers get points for hacking net guards, and vice versa
2) Good players (whether hacker OR net guard) get points for hacking bad players, and vice versa
3) Good net guards get points for hacking bad hackers, and vice versa, and bad net guards get points for hacking good net guards, and vice versa (you can only get points for hacking a player who is of both opposite team AND alignment)

Another idea to 'spice up' team wars, since that's what people are looking for apparently, is to subtract 2 points if you hack someone on your own team. (this can be edited to work on conjuction with the previous 3 options for changes).

[I Am K88]

The idea we are suggesting is 4 teams that get a point for weekly team kills for killing any other team that is not their own

-- Sun, 18 Jul 2010 17:43:14 +0000 --

Which means that any team can win. not only netguards/hackers. their will be no more imbalance as their already is.

[Ozy {DD}]

-1 Most stupid waste of resource ...

Try to invent a secondary war, leave Hackers/NetGuard war like it is, it's WORKING fine !!
Look at this week, the Netties almost did it and had fun trying .


But stop posting changes on old stuff that works , ask for more weekly/ monthly comps.
Ask for Gang Wars to be changed so we could do 2 vs 2 team wars.

-- Sun, 18 Jul 2010 17:43:14 +0000 --

Which means that any team can win. not only netguards/hackers. their will be no more imbalance as their already is.

imbalance ??? we have the same numbers of members + or - 1

[I Am K88]

Ozy again as we have pointed out in chat. you are just trying to cover your ass at the fact that if this was put into effect you could lose your precious 1# spot on rankings. so stop trying to put us down just because your afraid you might have wasted money on the fact that your 1# on a game
And actually no we dont. netties have less numbers than hackers. that is a fact.

[Ozy {DD}]

Ozy again as we have pointed out in chat. you are just trying to cover your ass at the fact that if this was put into effect you could lose your precious 1# spot on rankings. so stop trying to put us down just because your afraid you might have wasted money on the fact that your 1# on a game
And actually no we dont. netties have less numbers than hackers. that is a fact.

loool .. so much crap in one post .. you sound more and more like Myck !


Game Stats
4409 total players. => half are Hackers and half are NetGuards .. so Stop Whining about being a loser netguard ... and no, I didn't pay to be #1

[I Am K88]

Huh it continues. your putting me down for stating a fact. your not even trying to prove your point anymore. your just dissing me because i stated a fact. not cool man. not cool

[Toast]

Ozy again as we have pointed out in chat. you are just trying to cover your ass at the fact that if this was put into effect you could lose your precious 1# spot on rankings. so stop trying to put us down just because your afraid you might have wasted money on the fact that your 1# on a game
And actually no we dont. netties have less numbers than hackers. that is a fact.

Moron.

A hacker is born. Then a nettie. Then a hacker. Then a nettie.

There is no such thing as "There's more hackers than netties", and if there is, it's ALWAYS by less than 5 players. Way too immaterial to bother.

[I Am K88]

again now toast is following ozy dissing me. when i joined this game i had a choice of which side i wanted to join. i chose netguards. and if that system is still here then new players also get to choose which side they want to be on.Which means thnat no matter what you do if they choose 1 side over the other than their will be an imbalance. its just a fact.

[Ozy {DD}]

again now toast is following ozy dissing me. when i joined this game i had a choice of which side i wanted to join. i chose netguards. and if that system is still here then new players also get to choose which side they want to be on.Which means thnat no matter what you do if they choose 1 side over the other than their will be an imbalance. its just a fact.

LOOOOL ... You are SO miss informed ..